Game #74: Rox at Jays pregame

Colorado (38-36) at Toronto (36-37)
at 1:07 p.m. ET at the Rogers Centre

Today’s lineups:

ROCKIES
Willy Taverez, CF
Kaz Matsui, 2B
Matt Holliday, LF
Todd Helton, 1B
Garrett Atkins, 3B
Brad Hawpe, RF
Troy Tulowitzki, SS
Jeff Baker, DH
Yorvit Torrealba, C

PITCHING: RHP Josh Fogg

BLUE JAYS
Vernon Wells, CF
Gregg Zaun, C
Alex Rios, RF
Matt Stairs, 1B
Frank Thomas, DH
Aaron Hill, 2B
Adam Lind, LF
Howie Clark, 3B
John McDonald, SS

PITCHING: RHP Dustin McGowan

NOTES: The Jays can pull to a .500 record for the first time since they were 13-13. … Manager John Gibbons said 3B Troy Glaus was just given a day off. … SS Royce Clayton hasn’t started in five games. Clayton met with GM J.P. Ricciardi before Sunday’s game to discuss his situation. … 1B Lyle Overbay said he’s scheduled to begin hitting off a tee on Tuesday and hopes to be ready to start taking BP by the end of the upcoming road trip. … LHP Gustavo Chacin threw on flat ground and plans on throwing off a mound in the bullpen some time during the upcoming road trip. He believed that could possibly be by the middle this week, but it might take longer.

24 Comments

Payback

Last year when we played Colorado in their park, they swept us and ran up the score in a couple of games. Well this is payback.

What an outing from mcGowan;if we do make the playoffs, I like out chances with this rotation-I’m not sure there’s any better in the AL right now (with Burnett healthy).

Frank is hot, Vernon’s warming up and if there was ever a time to go on a 10 game road trip to Minnesota, Seattle and Oakland, now’s the time.

Watch out for the Blue Jays in the second half, these guys are starting to roll.

At least it wasn’t a cheap blooper that broke up the no hitter. I was one of those who wanted to see McGowan traded thank God they never. I think we are looking at another Doc. Lets hope the Jays can keep it up. My guess is nobody is going to turn of their T.V. It seems like Clayton is upset because J.Mac is getting all the playing time what would you do anybody how about you Jordan.

I wondered why we got Clayton in the jirst place when we had Johnny Mac. I’d say trade Clayton off or just sell him. Great game pitched by McGowan. Looks like the whole team is finally starting to hit. Hopefully it isn’t to late for them to make a push for the playoffs.

Well, hopefully sooner or later we call up Sergio Santos from AA who could be a nice replacement for Clayton. Santos is only batting .253 but leading the Eastern AA league with 14 HR’s in 67 games, as a short stop. The 44 RBI’s aren’t bad either. He’s rated to have the best throwing arm in the Jays organization.

Clayton looks like trade bait to me. Johnny Mac is playing lights out and deserves the playing time.

The best scenerio would be get rid of Clayton especially now that hes very negative about the obvious reson Johnny Mac is stealing the spotlight and also get rid of Phillips and keep thigpen as the backup since he can play first as well and seems to handle the bat really good not to mention hes in shape and can run way bettrer then Phillips. Trade these two along with taunenhiem for Bedard from Baltimore since there dead last and showing no sign of recovery and to sweeten the pot if they dont take it maybe a first round pick.

I like the idea of keeping Thigpen and trading Clayton and Phillips. They aren’t spectacular bait but maybe somebody will offer something for them.

jordanjonathan
You can’t trade picks in baseball.

And there’s no way baltimore trades Bedard.

But don’t worry, Jamie Campbell wrote in his sportsnet.ca blog a while ago that a baltimore team official told him that they expect Bedard to leave Baltimore once he’s a free agent and sign at “home” in Toronto.

I agree with trading Clayton and Phillips, once Overbea gets back. If they can bundle Towers into the mix, so much the better.The Jays have done a good job in slowly moving Thigpen into the team; I think he’s ready for the next step. Santos can be called up to be Clayton’s replacement and slowly move him into the lineup like we’ve done with Thigpen

Do not expect much value for Clayton and Phillips. I think we’d be lucky to have some team pick up their contracts.

It was nice to see Fasano land back at Syracuse; he’d be a nice replacement, like he was before, if either Zaun or Thigpen get injured.

i would be trading Phillips or Clayton anytime soon both are still needed until overbay and Johnson are back. but the ones that really need to be traded are Chacin and Towers. towers is just painful to watch and Chacin pitched(or the lack there of) him self out of Toronto’s plans. why not just ride out jesse Litch or Ty.T until bedard is a free agent and he wants to come to TO and is infinatly better then Chacin. and you can’t forget about Dave Purcey. this kid could be better than Bedard. Chacin still has value for trades why not move him for a better shortstop?
and I can’t stand how people were booing Jansen. why? so he gave up 6 runs. our ace gave up 17 runs in 2 games and no one booed him. besides that he has been absolutly lights out. gove the kid his due.

I haven’t got much to add, except that the recent talk of Bedard playing for Toronto is exciting. I agree with most people for the most part on trade possibilities. Would a package deal including Towers, Chacin, Phillips, and Clayton get more in return? Hopefully J.P. knows better than to get patch solutions (e.g. Thompson, Okha, etc.) this time. If we get rid of Chacin, we need to get a lefty (Purcey until Bedard?).

I am so glad that all of the jays are starting to hit again. With the pitching as good as it has been, we will definetely have a shot at the wild card maybe even the division. I mean there are about 90 games left. That is plenty of time for the jays to win and hopfully redsox lose.

The biggest reason I am posting this comment is I read on yahoo rumors that the jays are thinking about trading troy glaus. I was wondering what you guys think about that.

The Troy Glaus rumors were started by a newspaper in LA, suggesting that’s who the Angels should go after and dump the looser Hillabrand. Imagine that-Shea’s already worn out his welcome.

The trade I’d like to see is Chachin and Towers to the white sox for Mark Buehle-a quality veteran lefty.

I believe that Mark Buerhle would take a lot more then Towers and Chacin to get out of Chicago qsumner, but I do like the idea of trying to go after him, providing that the jays can get permission to talk to him about a contract extension. If not then I wouldn’t do it if i’m the jays.

As far as the jays getting themselves back into the wild card race then I say they have to come out of this 10 game road trip with at least 6 wins. 5 and 5 wont do it because that keeps them where they are at now and takes 10 games off the schedule. Even the 3 games at home against Seattle is huge. These next few games are all against teams slightly ahead of the jays and they can’t afford to lose more ground on any of them.

Wow, just checked the schedule again and realized that the 3 games at home is acutally against Cleveland (the current wild-card leader) Obviously that goes without saying as to how huge this stretch is.

enigma

Well we could throw in Clayton-Chicago need a better back up infielder than what they have. The reason I bring up the potential trade is there’s a rumor out of Chicago today saying they’re about to dump the current team. Since Bruehle is a free agent at the end of this season, they’ll definately move him. Talking to him about a contract extension wouldn’t be a problem-that’s what he wants; just not with Chicago.

Actually, the next 21 games are critical. We play 4 in Minnesota, 3 in Oakland and 3 in Seattle, before coming home to play 3 against Cleveland.

Then, right after the break we play 4 in New York and 4 in Boston. 18 of 21 on the road-we always seem to get the butt end of the schedule.

We will certainly know where we stand when this stretch is over. If Burnett is healthy, I like our chances of doing well with the hitting starting to roll.

If we do, our chances of winning the wild card are enhanced dramatically, since we play all the teams in front of us now. Then, the Bruehle trade makes sense, if we don’t it doesn’t-although I don’t see the Jays dumping salaries or players at trade deadline.

This team, with a quality 5th starter will be hard to beat this year or next

qsumner

Definitaly agree with your thoughts on everything, just keep in mind though that the jays will not likely be the only team after Mark. They’ll probably create a bidding for the guy and in that case I doubt the jays will come up with enough to entice chicago to move him here. Chicago could probably ask for a Thigpen or a David Purcey (in some sort of package) for example and the Jays shouldn’t give them those types of players unless they believe they can sign him to a new contract (in my opinion).

If the Jays do come out of the stretch that you mentioned with great results then I definitaly wouldn’t blame them if they up the ante. The thing I like about the team is that most of the core players are locked up for a couple of seasons, so even if Mark couldn’t quite get us into the playoffs this year, he definitaly will be a big help next. (assuming that he signs a new contract with Toronto)

Have you ever heard such ****! It’s absolutely hilarious listening to all the dillusional fans out here. Eric Bedard is practically a Blue Jay, lol, what is he 3 or 4 years away from free agency. Mark Buehrle coming for a package of Clayton, Phillips, and Towers. Sorry guys but nobody wants these guys… that’s why they are here. Stupid baseball idiot fans giving up on Chacin because he’s injured and apparently ” pitched himself off the rotation”. This guy has a lifetime .625 winning percentage and all he does is Win games so lets get rid of him because what is he 26 years old. LOL LOL…. If you dummies have nothing good to say keep your silly comments to your buddies who watch baseball once a week. Just so you guys know it would take something like Lind, Thigpen and Marcum to land a pitcher of Buehrles’ calliber signed or not.

P.S.

Sorry to dissapoint all of you but Dave Purcey is hardly the second coming of Steve Carlton. The guy has a couple of decent starts in double A and has been getting Lit ever since!! E.R.A. almost six in Doubs and they think he’s bringing back the World Series…LOL LOL

rbastasich,

The thing that i’ll respond to you is that if you’re going to look at win percentage alone then Chacin is our second best starter. I think the guy does have value to this club but to say that he shouldn’t be traded because his winning percentage is good is a little close minded. Fact is the guy could probably get a decent return on the market and if the right deal is there I would do it.

I am well aware that Chicago could and should ask for those players in return for Beurhle and if that’s the case I did mention that Toronto shouldn’t do it unless they are confident that they can sign him to a new deal and if that is the case then they should just wait untill the off-season beacause I am now hearing that Chicago is not allowing anybody to talk to Mark about a contract.

By the way David Purcey is still considered a good prospect and he is only 24 yrs old I believe. Roy Halladay didn’t exactly dazzle in his first couple of seasons in the bigs (remember he was actually demoted to double A at one point) and look at him now.

rbastasich

The only one here that’s dilusional is yourself. Your posts show your lack of knowledge as well as your arrogance.

I know you probably haven’t noticed, because you’re so focused on looking at the ugly thing in the mirror, but rent players haven’t gotten major value in the last few years-case in point Soriono last year.

At the moment Chicago are scouting minor league prospects from 2 to 3 teams, which is what they think they can get in return-one or two minor league prospects. Again you are probably not aware of that-people that talk as much as you generally don’t hear much.

And Purcey is injured-so give your mouth a break.

Chacin might have a reasonable win record, but it’s not going to last for long. The only reason he has that record is phenomenal run support-nothing else.

He’s effective once-maybe twice against a team and then they figure him out and bash him.

If he is as good as you think he is, Chicago will jump at the deal-since his win/loss percentage is higher than Buelrhe’s.

DUH!!!!

rbastasich
I have to agree with enigma_d17 and gsumner. Chacin wins because of the Jays offense not becuase of his ablilty. now granted i was on the Chacin bandwagon from the start but i am tired of lack luster starts. HE HAS A WORSE ERA THAN TOWERS! I’m sorry but that is just terrible. I would love to see him come back from his injury and pitch well. it just wont be in TO especially since our rotation is already better without him and lots of teams are looking for pitching. He still has value.

And as for Purcey there is a reason that the Jays traded Zack Jackson instead of him. He’s better.

As for getting Beurhle maybe if the price is right and he doesn’t get in the way of getting Bedard or Jesse Litch or Dave Purcey. as much as i would like him i don’t think he is really necessary. and Jansen could even start again once Ryan and League and Romero are back. we really don’t need another starter next year. maybe just rent him for this year but even still that seems like a waste of talent to get get him.

another thought if we are going to trade for a starter why not just go and trade for Bedard? he is younger and more talented than Beurhle. and he wants to come here anyway. we have a ton of pitching now. its time to remove the dross (Chacin, towers, Vambrano) maybe add Bedard and we have our staff set for the next 5 to 10 years.

the rotation of Halladay, Burnett, Marcum, McGowan is going to be one of the best for years to come so add Bedard it will be the best. as long as the 5th starter can give you 10 wins and a 4.40 ERA that will be more than pleny. Litch, purcey, Jansen can all do much better than that. not to mention Ty. T is still in the mix and i am sure there are others getting close to major leauge ready. unless it is Bedard i have no need for another starter or Towers and Chacin

I like the tought of our rotation
Halladay

Burnett

Bedard

McGowan

Marcum

Closer:

Ryan

Set-up:

Accardo (league would be good but accardo is doing so good why take him out)

Bullpen:

Janessen

Romero

and all the others

Now think about this you got Litch, Purcey and Janesen if one of your starters gets injured and you are set. I really don’t see the point of Buehrle unless you want some experience but i think you get enough of that with Halladay, Burnett and Bedard.

Think about the lineup we have

(hate to see johnson go but rios is better and i think we should keep stairs or Lind)

Rios

Overbay

Wells

Glaus (really hope they don’t trade him)

Thomas

Stairs/Hill

Zaun/hill

Lind/zaun

J mac

I’m not sure when Bedard’s contract is over, if it’s next year great, if not than if you can get Buerhle until Bedard comes that would be great, but buerhle would probably cost alot so you might have to see marcum go or thigpen and i say pitching wins games so go for it and have jannsen replace marcum.

What do you guys think?

I like the tought of our rotation
Halladay

Burnett

Bedard

McGowan

Marcum

Closer:

Ryan

Set-up:

Accardo (league would be good but accardo is doing so good why take him out)

Bullpen:

Janessen

Romero

and all the others

Now think about this you got Litch, Purcey and Janesen if one of your starters gets injured and you are set. I really don’t see the point of Buehrle unless you want some experience but i think you get enough of that with Halladay, Burnett and Bedard.

Think about the lineup we have

(hate to see johnson go but rios is better and i think we should keep stairs or Lind)

Rios

Overbay

Wells

Glaus (really hope they don’t trade him)

Thomas

Stairs/Hill

Zaun/hill

Lind/zaun

J mac

I’m not sure when Bedard’s contract is over, if it’s next year great, if not than if you can get Buerhle until Bedard comes that would be great, but buerhle would probably cost alot so you might have to see marcum go or thigpen and i say pitching wins games so go for it and have jannsen replace marcum.

What do you guys think?

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