Game #90: Blue Jays at Red Sox pregame

Toronto (44-45) at Boston (54-35)
at 7:05 p.m. ET at Fenway Park

Today’s lineups:

Vernon Wells, CF
Reed Johnson, LF
Alex Rios, RF
Frank Thomas, DH
Troy Glaus, 3B
Lyle Overbay, 1B
Aaron Hill, 2B
Gregg Zaun, C
John McDonald, SS

PITCHING: RHP Dustin McGowan

Coco Crisp, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
David Ortiz, DH
Manny Ramirez, LF
Kevin Youkilis, 1B
Jason Varitek, C
*Eric Hinske, RF
Julio Lugo, SS

PITCHING: RHP Daisuke Matsuzaka

*J.D. Drew out with a hamstring injury



    gsummer Thanks Man for the minor league site hours and hours of entertainment for everyone.


    gsummer I went to the Boston site and posted myself.How about Aaron Hill tie game but not for long McGowen looks like the McGowen of old no good or was he left in to long by Gibbons again.God I hate that manager.


    Here’s exactly what I mean by Gibby not handling pitchers well. McGowan had already thrown the best part of 100 pitches and struggled all game.

    So why send him out in the 6th and why let him pitch to Varitek when we have two lefties in the pen?

    Probably will cost us the ball game and just when we got momentum back .


    Great manager call.


    Brilliant managing

    Gibby keep making high quality decisions like you did tonight and we’ll be out of it by Monday morning.


    Although I’m not a big Gibbons fan, I think you guys are way too quick to criticize his decisions. Scott Downs pitched the previous two games, so there’s no way he’s coming in tonight. So that leaves one lefty in the pen (Tallet), and I think Gibbons had the right idea trying not to use him so early in the game (the 6th inning).

    McGowan didn’t have his best stuff tonight, but he should be able to buckle down and go six innings. Besides, the only other “6th inning” guys the Jays have are Wolfe and Frasor, both of whom don’t inspire a lot of confidence against a potent Red Sox lineup in a tie-game situation.

    I dunno. It’s easy to criticize in hindsight. All in all, I just think Gibbons had the right idea trying to stretch McGowan through the sixth so he could hand things over to Jannsen in the seventh.

    Looks like another brutal loss, though, especially after the momentum seemed to be swinging in the Jays’ favour….


    Oh, and I just noticed Janssen had pitched the previous two games, too, so it’s unlikely he’s available tonight either.


    Posted by Ian Brown on the bosox blog
    “On to other matters, what a throw by Coco Crisp to nail Glaus trying to get a double. Sure, Glaus was safe because Pedroia never tagged him. But nobody ever expected Coco to make a no-hop throw from the left-center field wall to second base. He’s having an all-around great year in the field”

    I wonder what the going rate for an Ump is these days


    I noticed that Gibbons always keeps the starting pitchers in if it is a tied game and he wants to give the pitchers a chance to win the game. But it usualy winds up in a loss. I don’t think the pitchers care that much if they get a win or not, but for the entire team to suffer the loss over Gibbons decision…… It makes me sooo mad!!!


    Freedom Fighter: But as I mentioned above, who would you bring in that early in the game? Jannsen and Downs are both probably unavailable, DeJong hasn’t proven that he can pitch in a close game, and Tallet is the only other lefty in the pen. Do you use up Tallet in the sixth when he might be more useful in the 7th or 8th to go after a tough left-handed hitter like Ortiz?

    The only possibility seems like Wolfe, but he’s a rookie with little big league experience. I dunno, it’s a really tough call and I think it was worth giving McGowan a shot at going one more inning….



    You hit the nail on the head-that is exactly what Gibby does and it almost always bites him.

    By the start of the 6th McGowan had already ran out of gas. He could have brought Fraser or Wolfe in to start the inning.

    Yes, Boston’s offense is strong-which is exactly the reason you don’t leave a pitcher out there that’s ran out of gas.

    If there’s no faith in Fraser or Wolfe, call Brandon back up or Gronkowicz


    I’ll agree that Wolfe was an option in the 6th, but Frasor? He’s been incredibly inconsistent this year and not reliable in close games.

    League isn’t ready to come back to the Majors — his velocity’s not where it should be and his mechanics are still off. As far as Gronk goes, he’s a great Minor League filler guy, but he’ll never be a Major League pitcher. Did you see his brief stint with the Jays? Unfortunately, his stuff really doesn’t look good enough.



    Actually, League is very close-in his last 4 games he’s given up no runs and apparently his velocity is back.

    The only time Gonk was here he pitched 4 innings-which is 3 more than he normally went and gave up 1 run. I never watched the game but the results weren’t bad. Vermilea did well here as well going 6 innings and giving up no runs. So if there’s no faith in De Yong or Wolfe there are options.

    I think what we needed to do was get through the 6th clean, get the hitters back up and maintain the momentum we got from the 6th. Sending a guy back out there that had already thrown 100+ pitches on a night he was struggling made no sense. Anyone would have been a better option.

    My point though is like Freedom’s. Over and over again Gibby does the same thing, whether he has options in the pen or not.

    We can’t afford these crippling losses-our season is coming to an end soon.


    Yeah, I noticed League’s only pitched 6 or so innings at Double AA. I think he’ll probably need a lot more rehab time. Maybe we won’t see him again at this level until the September call-ups?


    gsumner: Although it’d be a great story if Gronk could make an impact at the Major League level, there’s usually a reason why 29-year-olds don’t get a chance to play above Triple AAA.

    I dunno, most of the stuff I’ve read about him seems to indicate his chance has come and gone.

    But, I love the underdog — it’d be nice if he could beat all the odds and make a push. It’s a long shot, but you never know…


    And correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Jordan answer a question in his mail bag about Gronk? I think he might even have said that Gronk will be a great career Minor Leaguer, but that he’s probably reached his plateau…


    Yeah, Vermilyea didn’t seem to be doing too badly here. I’m surprised he wasn’t given a longer look. Then again, if you look at his Triple AAA numbers, he’s been hit HARD. His ERA’s near 6 I think….



    Brandon has been at AAA for his last 11 appearances. In his last 8 outings, he’s gone 10 innings and given up 1 run. JP stated Brandon would be back up here before the end of the month.

    As i said, I didn’t see Gonk pitch, I just know his results looked fine as had Vermilea’s.

    But Gonk isn’t the point Gibby is; and he should have sent someone else out there for the 6th-we gave this game away.


    Good to hear about League — we’ll see what happens. Yeah, and sorry to harp on the Minor League guys, I just think we can’t expect too much from them. A lot of them seem well past their prime….

    As far as Gibbons go, I’m definitely not a fan. But, with that said, I think he made the right decision trying to stretch McGowan for another inning. I guess I’m just not a fan of babying starting pitchers. Pitchers should be able to buckle down even when their stuff isn’t at their best. Think of Marcum last night — lots of people would argue he should have been pulled after the third inning, but he pulled it together and pitched shutout ball for the next three innings. Good stuff.

    Anyway, those are just my thoughts. Good talking to you tonight….



    The difference with Marcum last night and McGowan tonight is pitch count. Last night Marcum’s was low, tonight McGowan had maxed out. The decision last night was the right one, the decision tonight was not.

    And it’s not about babying anyone; If a guy has nothing left in the tank take him out.

    Have a good evening

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