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Scott_rolen_25TORONTO – The Jays and Cards are discussing a trade that would swap third basemen Troy Glaus and Scott Rolen. According to sources, the sides are close to a deal, pending physicals and some financial details.

I like this move for the Jays. Rolen is an upgrade on defense and can provide a solid bat. He’s coming off left shoulder surgery, but he had a strong year after a similar operation in ’05. This is the second surgery on the shoulder, and he’s expected to be OK for this season.

Glaus, meanwhile, is coming off left foot surgery and I think he’s a bigger risk playing on the turf in Toronto. He’s had leg issues ever since he came north and he didn’t look good in the field last year. I was surprised at how well he manned third in ’06, but he didn’t fare as well in ’07. Glaus also makes the media wait eons to get a few questions in, but that’s a whole other issue…

Money wise, Rolen is on the books for $12 million in each of the next three years. Glaus is slated to make $12.75 in ’08 and another $11.25 in ’09 through a player option. As part of the deal, St. Louis would probably have to send some cash Toronto’s way. Both players would also have to waive their no-trade clauses, which won’t be an issue in this case.

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Defensively it is a good move, having Rolen and Hill on either side can hide any problems Eckstien has. Ad if J-mac takes back his job we’d have the best infeild defense in baseball.

But JP is really banking on Wells and Overbay to return to form offensively.

Over the course of their careers Rolen actually has better numbers (avg,obp,slg (barely) rbi, strike outs) but he’s been doing it in a weak national league.

I’ll judge this move after knowing the details, just Glaus for Rolen straight up is hardling worth doing unless A) a substantial amount of Rolen’s salary is paid freeing up cash for the jays to add more pitching B) there is an additional player involved such as Yadier Molina to solidify the catcher position/ a young pitcher to add minor league depth / or a proven bullpen arm to allow the Jays the ability to put Jansen or Wolfe as the 5th starter.

Trust me. No WAY Molina is in this deal.

-M.

Well, I would have traded Glaus for Figgins, but I’m not sure about this deal. I agree with your assessment Jeff.

I think everybody is overestimating Glaus’ value.

He’s a bad defender even when healthy, he’s not healthy, he has a bad contract and he’s a steroid user.

Alteast Rolen’s a good defender (according to some comentary I’ve read over the years one of if not the best statistical 3rd basemen ever, and he doesn’t bring the distraction of ‘roid allegations.

I’d rather have Figgins than Rolen, but I’d also rather have Rolen than Glaus.

I am not a big fan of the deal, but I won’t mind if the trade happens. After all Rolen is better defensively and we will get a little money out of the deal. Which is huge because I would love to see the jays extend Halladay’s contract.

If the cardinals send Jays less than 12 million, Jays are going to commit more money than before the deal. And can Rolen play 3B for another 3 years with his left shoulder chronically getting worse??? His had a terrible 2005 before bounced back in 2006, now that he got another bad year with a OPS+ of 89. Are Jays counting on him to bounce back AGAIN??? Give me a break. Chances are he is no longer even an average player anymore.

Glaus is 1+ year younger and never had a huge slide in OPS+ before (actually his OPS+ is >113 for 8 consecutive years). Though it is very hard for him to match the 2006-like production, he can still easily score 15+ hr and around 110 OPS+.

i personally think that this is a good deal for a few reasons:

1) We ALL know that Rolen is better defensively than Glaus is

2) brings back the combo of eckstein and rolen

3)Some money would probably be freed over for the next 2 seasons

4)Rolen rebounded well from injury and is supposed to be fully healed (i think), while they say that glaus has no more problems, i don’t think that’s the whole truth

5) if you compare the numbers of Rolen in 06 to Glaus’ numbers then Rolen had a much better average (i think 30-40points better), 16 less homeruns but just 8 less RBI’s.

6)In 07, Rolen and Glaus had almost the same avg, and rolen had 12 less hrs than glaus but only 4 less rbi’s.

7) The speed we were looking for isn’t necessary fulfilled but the BASES WON’T BE CLOGGED anymore and it shows that toronto is gonna start playing some small ball too.

Put all of these together and then think, yes the offensive numbers are a little down but the defense, and speed he brings is worth it.

Hey, i think you guys should remember that there aren’t many teams out there looking for a power hitting third baseman !

Oh, wait a second yes there are !!!! and Yes they play on grass too … which begs the question, is Scott Rolen the best Glaus could get for us ?

I just think if we were going to go out there and trade for a clone of a guy we already had, why not go get Melvin Mora, he’s got a two year contract, had a higher fielding pct then Glaus and Rolen last year and im sure he’ll hit the small balls and the big ones.

I guess i just don’t agree with change for change sake. If all we wanted was someone that was a better fielder and healthier … i mean just a better fielder, Mora, or Even Scutaro would have been fine.

But, Scott Rolen is a great guy ! Oh wait a second, were doing the Cardinals a favour by taking a guy who everyone hates and the manager can’t stand.

Im sure his D will make up for it though, but only when he feels well enough to get on the field and play, sure he made one more error then Glaus did last year and his Fielding pct was higher, but at least we have another right handed bat in the lineup and we can finally play small ball, even though Glaus got on base more, but we secretly hated him when he hit homeruns.

What warms my heart though is that we were able to accomodate Eckstein and bring up one of his old time friends to play in the infield with him, apparently those two are quite the joksters and they both are planning on racing Burnett and the Chilli’s next year during the, i think, 4th inning.

There is no way you can get guys move behind the Big Frank, no matter he is Scott or Troy or Jose Reyes. Rolen is not going to bat before Frank, is he? Plus, Scott is not fast at all.

As for health issues, I would rather bet 2 years on foot-ailing Glaus over 3 years on shoulder injury-plagued Rolen. At least some power still left in Glaus. How can you swing a bat with your shoulder “not right”? Vernon can’t.

Both are pretty even as a player so it comes down to health and character.

How is Rolen’s character? Has he had a history of clashing before LaRussa? Glaus seemed like an okay character, other than being a bit allergic to the media, a quiet non-vocal leader. Is Rolen a bit more fiery and vocal?

I think we just traded broken players. I think St Louis wins because they disliked Rolen and we got a hurt player who is going to break down again during the season. Could we not have traded for some pitching?

I guess it could be worse, we could have went for Oaklands Chavez; oh yah he won gold gloves to ! To bad he had surgery on both shoulders.

I guess in a way, Rolen is the middle road ? We are forced to accept this is the best we could have got for Glaus — wasn’t it hard for us to get him in the first place ?

Hey, if we just dumped Glaus’s salary, then fine, it will be used for something better, i can believe in that — i could put up with watching JMac and Scutaro/Adams platoon the spot for a year. But how much better does this make the team ?

Is it a good deal or bad deal?

Career stats:

BA: Rolen .283, Glaus .254

OBP: Rolen .390, Glaus .358

Slg: Rolen .507, Glaus .500

OPS: Rolen .878, Glaus .858

RISP:Rolen .291, Glaus .255

Home BA: Rolen .286, Glaus .282

Away BA: Rolen .281, Glaus .249

BA Verus LH: Rolen .282, Glaus .286

BA Versus RH: Rolen .284, Glaus .244

Annual average RBI: Rolen 90, Glaus 78

Annual average HR’s: Rolen 22, Glaus 28

Career SB: Rolen 104, Glaus 56

At The Rogers Center

Rolen: .391 BA,.481 OBP,.609 Slg, 1.090 OPS

Glaus: .282 BA, .402 OBP, .481 slg, .883 OPS

Contract’s: Rolen 3 yr’s-36 mill, Glaus 2 yr’s 24 mill

Significant Awards: Rolen 7 gold gloves, Glaus WS MVP

I think Rolen is a better offensive fit for us than Glaus. He is much more consistent and a better clutch hitter than Glaus. The big difference is Rolen hits right handers. Glaus has been poor throughout his career and the last couple of years pathetic. In 2007 he hit .235 against right handers and the after all star number was .211.

Adding Rolen is like adding a switch hitting power hitter with equal numbers from both sides. Rolen’s best stats are batting 5th or 6th in the lineup. As consistent as he is, he would be a perfect guy for us to slot after Thomas against both left and right handed pitchers.

Rolen is one of the best defenders at 3rd base and a lot better than Glaus. He makes our defence the best in the AL and possibly all of baseball when we play Johnny Mac at short. We could have multiple gold glove contenders in 2008.

There are three questions on this deal. The first is will Rolen be healthy in 2008. He’s had surgury 3 years in a row on that left shoulder-hopefully this time it’s fixed. The second question is how much salary is St. Louis picking up. The third year of his deal at $12 million, to what will be a injury prone 35 year old, is a big time serious risk. The third question is, what is Rolen like in the dugout. He had a running feud with Tony LaRussa and demanded a trade. Of course, I don’t think Albert likes LaRussa all that much either, but, hopefully we’re not creating another Hillebrand situation.

If Rolen is healthy and St. Louis pick up a good chunk of that 3rd year salary, I think it’s a good deal for us. If he’s not healthy, this deal could damage us.

An interesting Rolen Tid Bit From Hard Ball Times

In fact, here’s one more list: the top clutch hitters from 2000 through 2004, the first half of the decade. This list only includes batters who played all five years and ranks them by the difference between their batting average with RISP vs. their batting average in all other situations.

Batter BA/RISP BA/Other Diff

Jose Valentin .290 .235 .056

Gary Sheffield .347 .300 .046

Jeff Bagwell .317 .277 .040

Manny Ramirez .356 .318 .038

Miguel Tejada .314 .278 .036

Carlos Delgado .316 .285 .031

Bobby Higginson .291 .261 .030

Scott Rolen .309 .283 .026

Edgardo Alfonzo .302 .278 .024

Joe Randa .299 .277 .022

Rolen, Glaus both needed change of scenery

By Jerry Crasnick

ESPN.com

Toronto manager John Gibbons had a couple of highly-publicized blowouts with Shea Hillenbrand and Ted Lilly two years ago. But if you talk to people around the team, they’ll tell you Gibbons is a “player’s manager” who creates a comfortable environment for his guys.

That’s a good thing for Scott Rolen-the Blue Jays acquired the third baseman in exchange for Troy Glaus on Saturday- because Toronto’s newest addition doesn’t have a particularly good track record with authoritarian types.

Scott Rolen, 32, hit just eight home runs for St. Louis last season and had a .398 slugging percentage.

Rolen’s relationship with Cardinals manager Tony La Russa — always dicey — reached six-alarm fire status when La Russa went on a bizarre, stream-of-consciousness rant at the winter meetings in early December. The minute La Russa shared the news that his personal rift with Rolen was driving him “nuts,” it was only a matter of time.

After trade talks with the Milwaukee Brewers, Los Angeles Dodgers and other clubs stagnated, St. Louis general manager John Mozeliak found a willing taker in the Blue Jays, who think Rolen has enough of an all-around game to make them an even more serious threat to the Red Sox and Yankees in the American League East in 2008.

Rolen is a seven-time Gold Glove winner, and if his shoulder is healthy (admittedly a big “if”), he’ll give Toronto a major upgrade defensively.

Toronto ranked 13th in the league with a .715 OPS (on-base percentage plus slugging percentage) against right-handed pitching last season. Rolen is a .284 career hitter against righties — compared to .244 for Glaus — so he should help the Jays in that regard.

Rolen’s former St. Louis buddy, David Eckstein, recently signed a one-year deal to play shortstop for Toronto, so the Jays won’t have to spend much time building synergy on the left side in spring training.

And although the three years and $33 million left on Rolen’s contract scared off some clubs, the commitment fits right in with Toronto general manager J.P. Ricciardi’s timetable. The Blue Jays are built to win over the next three seasons, with Vernon Wells, Roy Halladay, Alex Rios, Lyle Overbay and B.J. Ryan all tied up contractually through 2010 or beyond, and now the team won’t have to fill a potentially gaping hole at third base.

Glaus, who hit 58 homers in two seasons with Toronto, is under contract for $12.75 million this year with an $11.5 million player option for 2009. But the Blue Jays had legitimate reason to wonder if Glaus might pass on the option and leave town next winter. Glaus has foot problems that necessitated surgery in September, and the combination of plantar fasciitis and the artificial turf in Toronto was kind of scary.

Troy Glaus, 31, hit 20 home runs in 115 games last season for Toronto. The Blue Jays don’t have a third baseman in the pipeline, and next winter’s free-agent crop consists of Joe Crede, Casey Blake and not much else. Once the Rolen trade goes through, Ricciardi won’t have to worry about overpaying for Crede (and playing phone tag with Scott Boras) or combing through the bargain bin for a Plan B.

As for Glaus, it remains to be seen if the switch to natural grass will have the desired effect on his health. But Glaus did hit 37 homers in his last National League go-round with Arizona in 2005, so, if healthy, he provides a bona fide middle-of-the-order complement to Albert Pujols . The Cardinals have also signed Cesar Izturis to play shortstop, so they’re better equipped to cope with Glaus’ lack of range.

Given the medical histories, there’s an inherent risk in the trade for both clubs. But the deal made enough sense all around for both Glaus and Rolen to waive their no-trade clauses. Now the only remaining obstacle is physical exams on Monday.

After that, presumably, Rolen will revel in the change of scenery. For all his reported problems with Larry Bowa in Philadelphia and La Russa in St. Louis, Rolen plays hard, sweats the details and burns to win. He also got along just fine with Terry Francona during his early years in Philly.

If Rolen is finally over his shoulder trouble, a fresh start in a new country might be just what the doctor ordered.

SCOTT THE PLAYER-Reposted from JockBio.com

It is entirely possible that no third baseman in history has had Scott’s range. Two of the best—Mike Schmidt and Brooks Robinson—have confirmed this. He moves to his left so well that his shortstop can cheat toward second, and almost nothing gets past him down the line. Scott surrounds the ball as it comes to him, enveloping it with his long, lean frame—then straightens up and fires perfect strikes to first. He throws on the move as well as any infielder in baseball.

At the plate, Scott battled back trouble and inside fastballs for years. He seems to have conquered both, which means we may just be seeing the “real” Scott Rolen now from an offensive standpoint. Always a patient hitter, he’s learned to take a walk when he gets deep in the count and has stopped chasing the high hard stuff. Anything from the belt down that’s over the plate is likely to end up a line drive, whether it’s a fastball, slider or change up. He covers the hitting zone magnificently.

Some claim Scott is also the best baserunner in the National League. He’s not the fastest, but takes more extra bases than many NL speedsters.

What makes Scott special in the eyes of his coaches and managers is that he is a hard worker and committed learner. The game has always come easily to him, yet he takes nothing for granted. He fields hard grounders in practice and never wastes a swing in the cage. As good as he is, he’s always looking for ways to get better.

The entire article can be viewed at http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Rolen/Rolen_bio.html

I do think that Rolen (if healthy) can help this team out more then Glaus. So i’m happy with this deal. He’s got more speed, much better glove and helps diminish the idea that the jays play for the 3-run home run every time.
The jays also had big problems hitting righties last year and as seen by the stats that sumner has posted rolen will help in that regard

Does anybody think that the potential lineup should change significantly with this trade ? or does Scott simply get slotted in the 5 or 6 hole.

Oh and thank you for the information sumner, especially the “risp” stats

as much as im not a big fan of troy glaus i really think that taking on rolend who is not the best solution for the jays who really need to see if they can afford having a proven injured player for three years. especially if the whole season is banking on players health and bounce back after injury prone season. the jays can deal with glaus for a season or two and pick up a few home runs here and there and if he gets hurt we can use either mcdonald or marco (which i still dont understand picking up) the way i see it is try to shop him around if nothing that can bring a healthy player to the team then try and work from within (My dream would be to have matt stairs but thats not realistic). if anything try and trade for a promising young prospect who can be ready when glaus is contract is up or do like the devil rays sorry rays did and find a solid japan devenisve player who can hit for contact it worked out for them. but i wont even get started on our minors but ill just leave it at that.

alright i’ve changed my point a little bit. This isn’t the best deal but its pretty good. There isn’t gonna be much difference unless Rolen is healthy. I just hope that SLouis picks up enough salary to make it worthwhile or give us a prospect or something.

I’m pretty new to baseball and i don’t know if scott rolen ever played in AL, but he prolly played against Beckett and some other good picthers Toronoto will likely face. Gsumner can you give me stats as to how rolen did against them?

And don’t forget NL is easier than AL so glaus’ numbers will likely go up but he won’t healthy for long.

Harry

If Rolen is healthy, it will be a big difference. We finally get a clutch hitter who hits well on the road and against right handers. I expect Rolens to do very well at The Rogers Center since he’s a line drive hitter and we have nice power alley’s to drive the ball. The rest of his AL stats are listed at the following url:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5668/splits;_ylt=AqtUfI06bj3_AEf5K6NVXBqFCLcF?year=career&type=Batting

The pitchers are going to love him. With his range, and Johnny Mac playing, we will see fewer ground ball hits between short and 3rd base.

I think the article from ESPN sums up the deal. Glaus is a walking injury playing on turf and likely is going to get worse not better. Even if the surgury works out, he still has a leg problem. Both teams needed to do a deal.

The 3 surguries Rolen has had all related to one injury, in which he needed shoulder reconstruction. I guess it took 2 operations to get it right. The one he had recently was to remove scar tissue and give him more shoulder movement, so maybe he’s fixed. Time will tell.

The fair deal would be for St. Louis to pick up 50% of the 3rd year salary-let’s see if that happened.

Rolen has had a history of creating problems with both Larry Bowa (Phillies manager) and Tony Larussa. From what I’ve read the Bowa incident started off with a disagreement over a contract extention, which was ultimately declined by Rolen. Rolen then called a news conference, called himself an idiot and went on for 45 minutes to describe in detail everything he felt was wrong in the Philly organization. I think the LaRussa feud is probably a mutual issue in that it was likely caused by LaRussa as much as it was by Rolen. But he has shown he can be a handfull if not managed properly.

Although, I am not a fan of how Gibby handles the pitchers, I do think he handles the clubhouse as well or better than anyone, so I don’t think Rolen’s history is an issue.

To sum it up, if Rolens is healthy and performs for us like he did in 2004 or 2006, he could make the difference; but this deal is risky for both teams.

Another injury prone player? Let us all hope him and everyone else can stay healthy for the entire season. If Rolen is able to stay healthy though, I will be looking foward to seeing him as another Lyle Overbay type hitter and defensive player.

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