Too Legit to Quit

ST. PETERSBURG — It’s ’90s night here at The Trop and following the game, the Rays are having a concert featuring none other than MC Hammer. The Hammer, wearing a No. 44 Rays jersey, just threw out the ceremonial first pitch and he took BP prior to the game.

Blue Jays manager Cito Gaston was excited enough to be a part of Hammer Time that the skipper had his picture taken with the star rapper, turned preacher, and once, yes, batboy. Hammer was a batboy for the A’s from 1972-1980 and was around when Jays first-base coach Dwayne Murphy and hitting coach Gene Tenace were with the Oakland organization. Apparently, Reggie Jackson has taken credit for nicknaming the young Stanley Burrell “The Hammer” because he looked like Aaron.

“I’m a fan,” Gaston said. “I think Gino knew him when he was a kid. He was in the clubhouse all the time in Oakland. That name Hammer comes from a good friend of mine — Hank Aaron. I just walked out here today and I got to meet him out here. It was a good day for me.”

Today’s lineups:

TORONTO (47-49) at TAMPA BAY (56-39)
at 6:10 p.m. ET at Tropicana Field

Joe Inglett, 2B
Marco Scutaro, SS
Alex Rios, CF
Matt Stairs, DH
Rod Barajas, C
Lyle Overbay, 1B
Scott Rolen, 3B
Brad Wilkerson, RF
Adam Lind, LF

PITCHING: RHP Roy Halladay (11-6, 2.71)

Akinori Iwamura, 2B
Carl Crawford, LF
Carlos Pena, 1B
Eric Hinske, RF
Evan Longoria, 3B
Cliff Floyd, DH
B.J. Upton, CF
Dioner Navarro, C
Ben Zobrist, SS

PITCHING: RHP Matt Garza (7-5, 3.96)


If JP thinks this bunch of BUMS will save his job he’s got the wrong tobaco in his pipe.

Garry-So how do you like Longoria now?

What happend I shut the game off.

And I never said I didn’t like him I said I would not trade Halladay for him.

He hit the grand salami off of Halliday

Last year the current roster drove in 563 runs and had 127 HR,This year 294 runs and 51 HR so far,How pathetic can it get,Why is it Cito and JP keep telling us we can win with this team,
These are the stats of the players on the current roster not all of them where here last year,What I can’t figure out is why are these players here now,Are they paying JP for their jobs.

After tonights game if Halladay wants out I woudn’t blame him,He deserves to be on a contender.

It took 40 years, but it looks like the leafs are finally ready to admit that their approach to constructing a winning team was wrong; and now they are trying to build a team through the draft and acquiring young talent. Good for them. It is about time! With Tampa emerging as the “real deal”, Boston and New York always a force, and Baltimore a year-ahead (at least) in the rebuilding phase, perhaps Jays’ fans and management will finally realize that it is time to re-build. At this point, I think that the only thing we fans can hope for is for the Jays to be swept both in Tampa and Baltimore. This would make it clear to everyone that the Jays are pretenders, not contenders, but more importantly, it will expose JP as an incompetent GM who could not dismantle or retool his team at the trade deadline. He will no longer be able to use the excuse that the “jays might make a run in the second half”, and will therefore have to explain his inability to do anything helpful or worthwhile to help the team next year through trades.

A couple of other things: (1) Given JP’s act and the team’s performance, there is no chance of rebuilding through free agency. No one in their right mind will take our money. (2) If you watched Purcey’s impressive strikeouts in the all-star game, one of the things that worried me a little was that his strike-out pitches were no where near the strike zone, and not the type of pitches most major-league hitters would bite at. He may be able to get minor league hitters out with wild pitches, but I am afraid that he looks a lot like the pitcher who racked up walk-after-walk at the major league level because he could not through the ball for strikes. I hope this is not the case, because I am a big Purcey fan!

Burt-I agree there’s little option but to seriously re-tool. My real concern is whether JP is the guy to do it, because I don’t think he is.
I think we need a complete make-over of management which includes a replacement for both JP and Godfrey. That being said, the guy I’d like to see us get to replace Godfrey is Pat Gillick and his contract with the Phillies doesn’t expire until the end of the year. I really think we need a good baseball man at the top who understands the importance and how to build a good minor league system.
I’d like Godfrey to hire his chosen GM and of course then let the GM hire the Manager/coaches, etc. If that’s the case, then the serious re-tooling would have to come over the winter-not now.
So, in my view, it’s now up to Mr. Ted Rodgers to pull the plug.

I don’t think rodgers will fire Godfrey remember when he bought the team he didn’t know anything about baseball so Godfrey will continue to pull the wool over his eyes.

There’s still lots of trade rumors that Milwaukee are looking to bolster their relief corp and are talking to Oakland regarding Huston Street and San Francisco on Jack Taschner.
The trade with Cleveland to get Sabathia has paid huge dividends for them, so if they bolster their bullpen, they might be the real deal coming out of the NL this season.
B.J. Ryan and Jessie Carleson could be the two guys to put them over, and they have already demonstated they’re prepared to sacrifice future for now.
So let’s offer them Ryan and Carlseson for Escobar and Gamel-I think there’s a very good chance that deal could get done.
Of course, that would mean JP has to make a phone call.

gsumer Send JP 50 cents so he can make the call LOL.

What about the Mets and Yanks? Surely they would want to bolster their lineups? We have already traded Clemons to the yanks following a 3rd straight Cy-Young, so we know the Jays are not against trading in their division.

Also, I guess if JP does make the type of trades some of us are calling for, it would be an acknowledgement that he was simply wrong about the makeup, talent, and direction of this team. Hence, he is not going to do anything.

What really disappoints me is the toronto media. They should be putting massive pressure on JP to blow it up and make moves, or for Godfrey and JP both to go. However, they never seem to step up to the plate, pardon the pun, except for the occasional rant. It is time some of these guys got together and forced the issue while our club is slowly sliding into the abyss.

Maybe the media is afraid JP will shut them out of the clubhouse.
When Clemons was traded it was Gord Ash he had more guts than JP and a smaller EGO.

How can this team have such a great May and then just fall apart,This is my opinion.
Rolen hurting and keeping it to himself.
Eskstein no good anymore.
Rios home run derby has changed his swing.
Hill out because of Esksteins small split pea brain.
Overbay never recoverd from hand injury.
Stairs to old.
Poor catchers.
No replacments in the minors ready to come up.
And last but not least JP who keeps bringing in has beens.

Rolen could be hurt.
what more could you ask of Eckstein? he’s played as can be reasonably expected since returning from the D.L. J.P. just made a mistake in signing him in the first place I asked for him too, I was wrong.
Rios had 1 good power year. Maybe he’ll always be a 15 to 25 homer guy at best.
Eckstein actually called the ball but Hill didn’t listen.
I think Overbay is the biggest mystery to me.
Stairs IS too old, you’re right.
The catchers as a tandem are decent but they could use an upgradem, no question.
Agree with no replacements in the minors.
Too many has beens indeed.

Garry-You’re right about JP’s signing of has beens. A partial list of these signed in 2007 + 2008 include;

Frank Thomas
Matt Stairs
Royce Clayton
Jason Phillips
Jason Smith
Ray Olmedo
Howie Clark
Hector Luna
Tomokazu Ohka
Victor Zambrano
Joe Kennedy
Kevin Mench
Shannon Stewart
Brad Wilkerson
A. Benitez

This is not the entire list, so feel free to add to it.

Garry-although we’re light in some areas in the minors, one position we’re not light at is catcher. Diaz should have never been sent back down. When Diaz is healthy again he should be brought back up. Arenciba should be brought up in September. These two should be the only catchers playing in Septemer, just like Diaz should be the primary catcher when hes called up.

In my view, it makes little sense to trade either Zaun or Barajas-unless we get at least a B+ prospect-and I doubt JP can accomplish that. Both become free agents at the end of year and we get a sandwich draft pick if they sign elsewhere.

The Glaus for Rolen trade.

Now who came out ahead in that trade,We are also paying 1.8 mill.of Glauses salary.

surprised on the defensive numbers for glaus and rolen…i am thinking rolen made those errors due to his range…since he has a longer range he also has more of a chance of making an error.

Riccardi did say that he was planning on bringing up Snider and Arecibia for September.

Every time this team gets a couple of runs they try to give them right back,And Zaun couldn’t throw his mother out even if she was in a walker.

Now the pitchen is falling apart I won’t be watchin the rest of the game I have better things to do like watching paint dry.I’m out of here.

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