Game 146: Toronto at New York

fight.jpgSome suspensions and fines have been dished out for Tuesday night’s rumble in the Bronx between the Fightin’ Jays and Bombers.

Yankees catcher Jorge Posada and Jays reliever Jesse Carlson — the two at the heart of the fracas — were each dealt four-game suspensions and fined $3,000 by the league.

Carlson said that he told Blue Jays player rep Vernon Wells that he did not feel he deserved as much as Posada and a few minutes later, Wells called Carlson and said the suspension had been reduced to three games and the fine was also trimmed. Carlson will begin sitting out Wednesday.

Word is that Posada’s suspension will also begin Wednesday and has also been cut down to three games — not four. Fines were also handed to Yankees pitcher Edwar Ramirez — maybe to replace Rod Barajas’ mangled chest protector? — and hitting coach Kevin Long.

New York’s Shelley Duncan has also been suspended three games and fined. Blue Jays catcher Barajas also received a $1,000 fine, but he said he plans on appealing. Rod’s fine was for “verbal abuse”, but he said he was not given further explanation and he planned on appealing.

As for that one replay that appeared to show mild-mannered John McDonald taking a swing at Yanks skip Joe Girardi, they both insist it did not happen. Girardi called Johnny Mac a “peacemaker” and a “good man” and the pair met on the field before Wednesday’s game to talk things over. McDonald was trying to pull players off the pile and the one camera angle made it look like he swung at the manager.

Today’s lineups:

Thumbnail image for BlueJays.jpgTORONTO BLUE JAYS (66-79)
Fourth place AL East, 26.5 GB

1. Marco Scutaro, SS
2. Aaron Hill, 2B
3. Adam Lind, DH
4. Vernon Wells, CF
5. Lyle Overbay, 1B
6. Edwin Encarnacion, 3B
7. Rod Barajas, C
8. Jose Bautista, RF
9. Travis Snider, LF

Starter: LHP Brian Tallet (7-9, 5.26)

Thumbnail image for Yankees.jpgNEW YORK YANKEES (93-53)
First place AL East, — GB

1. Derek Jeter, SS
2. Jerry Hairston Jr., LF
3. Mark Teixeira, 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Hideki Matsui, DH
6. Nick Swisher, RF
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Melky Cabrera, CF
9. Jose Molina, C

Starter: RHP Chad Gaudin (1-0, 3.42)

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This is total BS that Posada got the same suspension as Carlson. Warnings were not issued until after Carlson threw way behind Posada and it was Posada who instigated the fighting when he pushed Carlson. This is blatant favourtism of the Yankee players yet again . There have been 15 Jays’ batters hit in the last few weeks and 9 of them were Yankee pitchers tossing the ball . I don’t care if Yanks in the post season and they need Posada, he should have thought of that when he started the fight with Carlson .

Yankee pitchers have hit more batters than any other team , why doesn’t MLB do something to prevent what happened last night . You didn’t see Hill or Encarnacion go after the Yank’s pitcher or even make a comment or the other 6-7 Jays’ batters that were hit in the last series. When yanks are losing their pitchers seem to take aim and always get away with it …total BS

A tip of the hat to Jessie Carlson; finally we retaliate. The only mistake Jessie made was he should have hit Posado right in the nuts.
Our guys have been hit 19 times in the month of September and we didn’t retaliate. Scutaro takes on in the head from Beckett, we do nothing, so Becket throws one at Barajas’s head-and we still don’t retaliate.
I get the feeling this is from Cito’s direction. But fact is, if someone throws purposely at one of our guys and we let them get away with it, they do it again.

I don’t agree with the suspensions being the same, clearly Posado should have received a more sever one than Jessie, but it is NY and they always get special treatment from MLB and the umpires.

My take is that the incident was a carry over from the series in Toronto where 6? of our batters were hit. If the umpiring crew had done their job in that series, issued warnings, and maybe tossed somebody, this would likely never have happened.
Is it just me, or were warnings more frequent in years past? With the number of batters knocked out of games by wild pitches this year, I think the rule should be enforced more strongly before someone suffers a serious injury.

I might be wrong, but when the warning rule first came out, warnings were issued after the second batter was hit, and sometimes after the first one. This year, in all the Jays games I have watched, I haven’t seen one warning issued.


There was no warning issued when either Encarnacion or Hill were hit , not until Carlson threw behind Posada ( a pitch that was waist high and a good 2 feet away so nowhere near Posada) . You are right , last series 6 or 7 Jays’ batters were hit and not one warning. . The thing that I find upsetting is that Posada was ejected and never left instead he came after Carlson. If Posada had left, as he was suppose to, things would not have escalated to the point they did . I feel because Posada was ejected and didn’t leave he escalated the situation and he should have received a longer suspension . At some point a player will get seriously injured , MLB needs to curb all this before that happens . Ruiz was fortunate that his jaw didn’t get broken last series or Scutaro didn’t end up with a concussion when he was hit by Beckett .

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